mother-bleeping X’s

Click to enlarge. Taiwanese movie poster for the Western film 'Severance' (斷頭氣). It contains the line '員工旅遊變生死遊戲 真他X的煩 Orz'

Language Log has had quite a few posts in recent months on the bleeping out of letters from obscenities. I’d like to add here an example of something bleeped out of a string of Chinese characters.

The other day I noticed an ad on the side of a bus for the forthcoming British slasher film Severance. (I didn’t get a good photo of this ad, so here I’m using an image of the poster for this movie.) In Mandarin this has the rather uninspired title of Duàntóu qì (斷頭氣: “Severed Head Qi“).

What really caught my eye, however, was the tag line in Chinese characters:

員工旅遊變生死遊戲 真他X的煩 Orz

This is interesting not just for the use of Orz, which is Net slang, but also for the bleeping out of the middle character of the obscenity tāmā de (他媽的, sometimes seen as “tamade“), rendering it 他X的. (Note too that a Roman letter rather than a Chinese character was used for this.)

There’s nothing obscene about the middle character by itself (媽). It’s used in writing words related to (“mother”). For that matter, there’s nothing in the least impolite about any of the characters by themselves or the individual morphemes they represent. The phrase as a whole literally means simply “his mother’s.” But as a whole the phrase works as something that youngsters would get into trouble for saying around their parents or elders and that would probably not be used on television (not without bleeping the subtitles, at least).

Lu Xun (Lǔ Xùn/鲁迅/魯迅) wrote a brief essay about the expression tama de. (For an English translation and notes of Lu Xun’s tama de essay, see Lu Xun on the Chinese “national swear”, an excellent post by Huichieh Loy of From a Singapore Angle.)

Back to the bleeping. As the results of Google searches show, 他媽的 and 他X的 are both common, though the original form is much more so.

  total of all domains within .cn domains within .tw domains
他X的 98,100 22,700 6,960
他媽的 1,910,000 173,000 903,000

Note that .cn (PRC) domains have 23.14% of the total 他X的s but only 9.06% of the total 他媽的s. This difference is probably a result of China’s Net nanny culture. On the other hand, specifically PRC domains still have a lot of 他媽的s. (Or rather 他妈的s, using the so-called simplified form of 媽.) Taiwan domains, however, have more than five times as many, which in the spirit of this post I should probably call a fucking lot of 他媽的s.

Out of curiousity I also ran searches for the other letters of the alphabet and found a spike for the 他M的. The letter M serves here as an abbreviation for the ma of tama de. Accordingly, it’s no surprise to see that 他ma的 is also found and that both 他M的 and 他ma的 are relatively rare in .tw domains (since people in Taiwan aren’t taught romanization).

  total of all domains within .cn domains within .tw domains
他M的 21,200 4,220 128
他ma的 12,400 2,620 168

To my surprise, I also came across a lesser spike for the use of the letter Y: 他Y的

  total of all domains within .cn domains within .tw domains
他Y的 8,450 1,520 14

The 他Y的s are mainly referring to a sadistic Flash game Pìpì chōu tā Y de (屁屁抽他Y的).

But it appears this isn’t really intended to be the letter Y from the Roman alphabet. Instead, Y appears to be used in place of zhuyin fuhao’s similar-looking ㄚ, which represents the sound that Hanyu Pinyin assigns to the Roman letter A. Thus, 他Y的 is not read “ta Y de” but more like “taaa de.” (See Some Things Chinese Characters Can’t Do-Be-Do-Be-Do.) Oddly enough, there are thousands of pages with 他Y的 (Roman letter Y) but just a handful with 他ㄚ的 (bopo mofo ㄚ). This may be from the relative ease of typing the letter Y instead of zhuyin’s ㄚ. Another odd result is that many of the 他ㄚ的s are within .cn domains but in traditional Chinese characters. [Later addition: See the comments for clarification on this.]

Since the subject of zhuyin fuhao came up, I made some additional searches:

  total of all domains within .cn domains within .tw domains
ㄊㄚㄇㄚㄉㄜ 0 0 0
他ㄇㄚ的 142 0 55
他ㄇ的 3,820 16 1,410
ㄊㄇㄉ 408 0 2

“TMD” is another extremely common way to indicate tama de. But too many unrelated results turn up in searches for me to give useful numbers for this.

OK, I’m finally finished with this tama de post.

Zhejiang orders Pinyin, numerals removed from business names

Xinhua is reporting that beginning in March 2007 the names of businesses in China’s Zhejiang Province must use no Hanyu Pinyin or numerals (Arabic numerals, most likely) and must have at least two Chinese characters.

This is reportedly the first time a local Chinese government has made this regulation. (But see also 911 restaurant?!.) Since this is a new regulation, it seems likely that it was created to counter an emerging practice. I expect we’ll hear soon of a crackdown against English in names, too.

Míngnián 3 yuè qǐ, fánshì zài Zhèjiāng de qǐyè jiù bùnéng zài shǐyòng yóu Hànyǔ Pīnyīn Zìmǔ huò shùzì zǔchéng de shānghào le, ér bìxū gǎiyòng yóu liǎng ge yǐshàng Hànzì zǔchéng de shānghào míngchēng.

Jù liǎojiě, zhè shì guónèi shǒu bù guānyú qǐyè shānghào guǎnlǐ hé bǎohù de dìfāngxìng fǎguī.

source: Shānghào yòng Hànzì bù shǎoyú liǎng ge (商号用汉字不少于两个), Xinhua, via Héběi qīngnián bào (河北青年报), December 2, 2006

related reading: Chinese man forbidden to use letter ‘D’ for son’s name, Pinyin News, November 5, 2005

Gaoxiong (Kaohsiung) MRT

Looking through Hao’s photos (linked to in his comment on yesterday’s post) reminded me that the MRT system in Gaoxiong is at least partially open. Since Gaoxiong is in Tongyong land, and since the signage there mixes romanization and English, and since no tone marks are given, I thought I’d share with everyone these Hanyu Pinyin guides I just made.

Here are the stations of the Gaoxiong subway system as given in Hanyu Pinyin (with tone marks), Hanyu Pinyin and English, Chinese characters, and Tongyong Pinyin and English:

See also Hao’s photos of the KMRT.

I don’t know Gaoxiong well, having been there only once, so if I got the word parsing for any of the stations wrong, please let me know.

signage snafus in Taizhong/Taichung/Taijung…

An observant reader, Sonarchic, sent in the top two photos below, both of which were taken in Taizhong (Taichung), Taiwan. The first one is especially interesting in that what would be written zhong in Hanyu Pinyin is here written two different ways: chung and zhueng.

sign with what is written Z-H-O-N-G in Hanyu Pinyin spelled here both C-H-U-N-G and Z-H-U-E-N-G

Here’s an older street sign.

sign with what is written Z-H-O-N-G in Hanyu Pinyin spelled here J-U-N-G (MPS2)

I’ve appended two photos I took myself in Taizhong about two years ago.

The first was taken on a highway near Taizhong. Since highways are under the central government’s jurisdiction, these signs are in Tongyong Pinyin.

sign with what is written Z-H-O-N-G in Hanyu Pinyin spelled here J-H-O-N-G (Tongyong Pinyin)

And here is a relatively new street sign with Taizhong itself. Note the use of Hanyu Pinyin, which, despite reports to the contrary, is not limited in Taiwan to Taipei City. I don’t know what “C1” refers to; I certainly hope it’s not a variant of Taipei’s idiotic nicknumbering system. Note also how any mention of the road’s sections (duan) are omitted from the romanization — very bad. Moreover, it has always seemed to me that Taizhong’s street signs suffer from too much information: just look at all those numbers. That can’t be good for readability.

sign with what is written Z-H-O-N-G in Hanyu Pinyin actually spelled Z-H-O-N-G

So, to wrap up, these signs in and near Taizhong, give us:

All that for a simple zhong (中).

story in Pinyin

Zhang Liqing has submitted another item written in Hanyu Pinyin. This time it’s a story, “Lā Tuǐ,”, by Táo Dàzú (Christopher L. Potter).

Here’s the opening:

Wǒ xiǎng gěi nǐ jiǎng yī ge zhēnshí d gùshi. Wǒ shíjiǔ suì d shíhou, Yuènán Zhànzhēng jiéshù bù jiǔ. Wǒ juédìng bù huí dàxué niànshū, yīnwei wǒ bù zhīdao wèishénme yào niànshū. Dìqiú hěn dà, měi gè rén dōu huì yǒu hǎo duō jīhuì. Qíshí shì wǒ bù zhīdao wǒ yào xué shénme zhuānyè huòzhě jiānglái zhǎo shénme gōngzuò. Zǒng’éryánzhī, wǒ bù zhīdao wǒ zhè yī bèizi yào zuò shénme. Nà gè shíhou wǒ xiǎng “bù zhīdao” shì hěn yánzhòng d wèntí. Yúshì wǒ juédìng táobì wǒ èr-niánjí d qiūjì xuéqī.

You can read the entire story on this site. Enjoy!

Taiwan’s MPS2 romanization system is not the same as Yale

Taiwan does not now nor has it ever officially used the Yale romanization system. But that hasn’t stopped the relatively common belief that the Yale romanization system for Mandarin can be found on some official signage here.

What most people take as Yale is in fact MPS2, a Taiwan-devised romanization system that dates from the mid 1980s. MPS2 was developed Taiwan in a vain attempt to counter the growing popularity around the world of Hanyu Pinyin. In other words, it was basically the Tongyong Pinyin of the 1980s, though its supporters (there must have been some) never embraced it with the same level of nationalistic fervor as Tongyong Pinyin has received from some quarters. Little wonder, then, that most people — including many who really should know better — don’t seem to have noticed that MPS2 even exits, much less that a great deal of the island’s signage remains in this system.

To some degree the confusion of MPS2 for Yale is understandable, given that the two systems have many points in common on which they differ with Hanyu Pinyin. Here are some examples.

-au rather than -ao

MPS II and Yale Hanyu
au ao
bau bao
chau chao
dau dao
gau gao
hau hao

-ung rather than -ong

MPS II and Yale Hanyu
chung chong
dung dong
gung gong
hung hong

chr, jr, r, shr

MPS II and Yale Hanyu
chr chi
jr zhi
r ri
shr shi

ts- instead of c-

MPS II and Yale Hanyu
tsai cai
tsan can
tsau cao
tseng ceng
tsou cou
tsu cu
tsung cong
tsz ci

And neither uses Hanyu Pinyin’s abbreviated vowel forms (such as -ui for -uei, -iu for -iou, and -un for -uen). But here we can begin to see some of the differences between MPS2 and Yale.

MPS II Yale Hanyu
chuei chwei chui
duei dwei dui
tzuei dzwei zui

Yale often uses w as a medial where other systems would use u.

MPS II Yale Hanyu
shuei shwei shui
suan swan suan
guang gwang guang

Yale often uses y as a medial where other systems would use i

MPS II Yale Hanyu
jia jya jia
niau nyau niao
chiung chyung qiong

This sign, in Banqiao, would read Shrjyan in Yale, not Shrjian, which is MPS2.
street sign reading 'SHR JIAN RD'

To review all of the similarities and differences among these and other systems, see my comparison chart of romanization systems.

To close, here are some more signs in MPS2. What in Hanyu Pinyin is written zhong is jung in both MPS2 and Yale. What in Hanyu Pinyin is xiao, however, is written differently in MPS2 and Yale: shiau and syau, respectively.

photo of street signs in Jilong. One sign reads 'JUNG 1 RD', the other 'SHIAU 1 RD'
This photo was taken in Jilong.

Guangzhou subway to switch from Pinyin to English-Pinyin mix

Guangzhou’s Metro will be reportedly be changing from Hanyu Pinyin to a mix of English and Pinyin in the naming of its stations. Thus, for example, “Guangzhou Huochezhan” will become “Guangzhou Train Station” (or something like that) and Tiyu Xilu will become Tiyu West Road.

If the official website of the Guangzhou Metro is anything to go by, the Pinyin presently used there is terrible. The official website is infected with the Pinyin-crippling diseases of InTerCaPiTaLiZaTion and FailUreToSePaRateWords. 体育西路, for example, is given not as Tǐyù Xīlù but as TiYuXiLu. Horrible! And, of course, there are some typos too, which make matters even worse, such as TiYuZhongZin for what should be Tǐyù Zhōngxīn.

The last time I was in Guangzhou the subway didn’t exist, so I haven’t seen this signage for myself. Can anyone supply photos of station signage in Guangzhou? I’d also appreciate receiving photos of official Pinyin signage from elsewhere in China. (Photos can be sent to the address on my contact info page.)

And, of course, there’s no word on supplying what ought to be a basic: additional signage in romanized Cantonese.

I have written the authorities there seeking details about the conversion but have not received a reply.

source and resources:

typo of the day

Ain’t it the truth.

sign in Guangzhou Province with 'ticketing hell' rather than 'ticketing hall'

Jìzhě zuórì (5 rì) qiánwǎng Dōngguǎn shìqū mǒu qìchē zǒngzhàn bànshì, zài zhàn qián guǎngchǎng xià le gōngjiāochē biàn xúnzhǎo shòupiàotīng wèizhi. Zǒuláng shàng xuángguà zhe yīkuài jùdà de zhǐshì pái, zhǐmíng chángtú shòupiàotīng de wèizhi, dàn Hànzì xiàmian pèishàng de Yīngwén ràngrén dàchī-yījīng, hèrán xiě zhe: Ticketing Hell (Zhōngwén zhíyì wéi “shòupiào dìyù”). Yuánlái shì dàtīng de Yīngwén “Hall” bèi wùxiě wéi “Hell” (dìyù).

Zhè kuài zhǐshì pái de bèimiàn xiě zhe bùtóng de nèiróng, Zhōngwén shì “xíngrén tōngdào”, Yīngwén xiězuò “Pedestrain chenneling”. Zhuānyè rénshì gàosu jìzhě, “chenneling” bùzhī hé yì, shì zìjǐ shēngzào de cíhuì, kěnéng shì xiǎng xiě “channeling” ér chūxiàn le pīnxiě cuòwù, dàn “channeling” shì “gōuqú” de yìsi, “tōngdào” yībān xiězuò “channels”.

Zài guǎngchǎng de lìngyī cè, gōngjiāo zhàn de zhǐshì pái shàng bùzài xiě Yīngwén, érshì gǎiyòng Pīnyīn, dànshì xiězuò “gongjiaozan”, “zhàn” zì de pīnyīn yěshì cuòwù de.

Yǒu chéngkè gàosu jìzhě, zhèxiē zhǐshì pái yǐjing guà le hǎojǐ nián le, yīzhí méiyǒu huàn xiàlái. Rúguǒ wàibīn kànjian, bùzhī zuò hé gǎnxiǎng.

source: Yīngwén pīnxiě cuòwù: yīzìzhīchā shòupiàotīng biàn “dìyù” (英文拼写错误 一字之差售票厅变“地狱”), Guǎngzhōu Rìbào, November 4, 2006