{"id":8538,"date":"2023-05-07T16:41:42","date_gmt":"2023-05-07T08:41:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/?p=8538"},"modified":"2023-05-07T21:14:55","modified_gmt":"2023-05-07T13:14:55","slug":"if-you-ever-find-yourself-stuck-on-how-to-pronounce-english","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2023\/if-you-ever-find-yourself-stuck-on-how-to-pronounce-english\/","title":{"rendered":"If you ever find yourself stuck on how to pronounce English"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s times like this I especially miss John DeFrancis. How he would have loved this! It&#8217;s partially an example of what he dubbed &#8220;Singlish&#8221; &#8212; not <em>Singapore English<\/em> but <em>Sino-English<\/em>, the tortured attempt to use Chinese characters to write English. He details this in &#8220;The Singlish Affair,&#8221; a shaggy dog story that serves as the introduction to his essential work: <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/readings\/chinese_language.html\"><em>The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy<\/em><\/a>. (And I really do mean <em>essential<\/em>. If you don&#8217;t have this book yet, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0824810686\/ref=as_li_tf_il?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=pininf-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0824810686\">buy it<\/a> and read it.)<\/p>\n<p>Here are some lyrics from a popular song, &#8220;Count on Me,&#8221; by Bruno Mars, with a Mandarin translation. The interesting part is that a Taiwanese third-grader has penciled in some phonetic guides for him or herself, using a combination of <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/romanization\/hanyu\/basic.html\">zhuyin fuhao (aka bopo mofo)<\/a> (sometimes with tone marks!), English (as a gloss for English! and English pronunciation of some letters and numbers), and Chinese characters (albeit not always correctly written Chinese characters &#8212; not that I could do any better myself). Again, this is a <em>Taiwanese<\/em> third-grader and so is someone unlikely to know Hanyu Pinyin. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2023\/04\/count_on_me2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2023\/04\/count_on_me2-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"lyric sheet, as described in this post\" width=\"584\" height=\"779\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-8543\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2023\/04\/count_on_me2-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2023\/04\/count_on_me2-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2023\/04\/count_on_me2.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 100vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;If you ever find yourself stuck&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0\n style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><\/p>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW'>If<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#12583;&#714;&#12552;&#12584;&#714;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>y&#237;f&#250;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '>you\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n&nbsp;\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>ever<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#12575;&#12552;&#12582;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>ei-f&#8217;er<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>find<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span>5<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <i><span>five<\/span><\/i>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>yourself<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n<span>U<\/span><span lang=ZH-TW\n  '>&#12582;&#12562;&#12583;&#12582;&#12552;&#12584;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <i><span>U<\/span><\/i><span>&#8217;er xi&#8217;erfu<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>stuck<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#12569;&#25171;&#21487;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>s-dake<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong>&#8220;I&#8217;ll be the light to guide you.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0\n style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><\/p>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>I&#8217;ll<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW'>&#12574;&#12582;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>&#224;i&#8217;er<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>be<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#12549;&#12583;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>bi<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>the<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#12556;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>l[e]<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>light<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#36084;&#29305;<\/span><span \n  '>*<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>laite<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>to<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#20820;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;'>\n  <span>tu<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>guide<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n<span lang=ZH-TW \n  '>&#33995;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-left:none;\n  border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>gai<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>you<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n<span>you<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <i><span>you<\/span><\/i>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Find out what we&#8217;re made of&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 \n style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><\/p>\n<tr>\n<td valign=t op style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>Find<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12552;&#12574;<\/span><span>&#715;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>f&#224;i<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>out<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12576;&#12554;&#12572;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>ao-t&#8217;e<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>what<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#33457;&#24471;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>huade<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>we&#8217;re<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12584;&#12583;&#12570;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>wi&#8217;a<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>made<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#22969;&#30340;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>meide<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>of<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#27472;&#31119;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>oufu<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong>&#8220;When we are called to help our friends in need&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 \n style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none'><\/p>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <s><span>What <\/span><\/s><span>when<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#33457;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>hua<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>we<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12584;&#12583;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>wi<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>are<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12570;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>a<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>called<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#25187;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>kou<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>to<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#20820;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>tu<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>help<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#22079;&#12572;&#12550;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>hei&#8217;e-p[e]<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>our<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12576;&#12582;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>ao&#8217;er<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>friends<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#12552;&#12584;&#12556;&#12579;&#711;&#30340;&#12569;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>fulen-de-s<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>in<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span\n  lang=ZH-TW '>&#30828;<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>ying<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>need<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>[?]<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<td valign=top style='border-top:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;\n  border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;border-right:none;\n  '><br \/>\n  <span>[?]<\/span>\n  <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s times like this I especially miss John DeFrancis. How he would have loved this! It&#8217;s partially an example of what he dubbed &#8220;Singlish&#8221; &#8212; not Singapore English but Sino-English, the tortured attempt to use Chinese characters to write English. &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2023\/if-you-ever-find-yourself-stuck-on-how-to-pronounce-english\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[104,110,78,12,15,41,97,28,95,55,32,20,3,105,31,45],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8538","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-alphabet","category-banqiao","category-bopomofo","category-chinese","category-chinese-characters","category-english","category-john-defrancis","category-languages","category-linguistics","category-literacy","category-mandarin","category-pinyin","category-taiwan","category-tone-marks","category-writing-systems","category-zhuyin"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8538","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8538"}],"version-history":[{"count":17,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8538\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8581,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8538\/revisions\/8581"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8538"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8538"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8538"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}