{"id":605,"date":"2007-01-06T17:42:36","date_gmt":"2007-01-06T09:42:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2007\/shanxi-shaanxi\/"},"modified":"2018-08-29T17:35:57","modified_gmt":"2018-08-29T09:35:57","slug":"shanxi-shaanxi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2007\/shanxi-shaanxi\/","title":{"rendered":"Shanxi \/ Shaanxi"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2006\/12\/shanxi_shaanxi_road_sign.jpg\" alt=\"road sign that gives SHANXI LU for &#23665;&#35199;&#36335; and SHANXI LU for &#38485;&#35199;&#36335;\" style=\"float: right; width: 300px; height: 200px;\"\/><br \/>\nA sign in Tianjin, China, points toward two roads, which, although they have different names, are both labeled &#8220;SHANXI LU&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The two roads are named after adjacent Chinese provinces: <span class=\"py\">Sh&#257;nx&#299;<\/span> (&#23665;&#35199;), whose largest city is Taiyuan, and <span class=\"py\">Sh&#462;nx&#299;<\/span> ( &#38493;&#35199; \/ &#38485;&#35199;), which contains Xi&#8217;an. So &#8220;Shanxi&#8221; would appear to be appropriate for both if tone marks are omitted, <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2006\/taipei-street-names-and-tone-marks\/\">which is, obviously, sometimes definitely a bad idea<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But because these names are both often used and leaving off the tone mark in their romanized forms could lead to confusion, the PRC authorities long ago decided to alter the romanization of <span class=\"py\">Sh&#462;nx&#299;<\/span> by borrowing a trick from <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/romanization\/gwoyeu_romatzyh\/spelling.html\">Y.R. Chao&#8217;s tonal spelling system<\/a>; in this exceptional case, a doubled <em>a<\/em> is used to represent the third-tone <em>a<\/em> in <span class=\"py\">Sh&#462;nx&#299;<\/span>, rendering the province&#8217;s name as &#8220;Shaanxi&#8221;. (This is not intended to change the pronunciation in the slightest, which is still <span class=\"py\">Sh&#462;nx&#299;<\/span> in modern standard Mandarin. Pronouncing &#8220;Shaanxi&#8221; with a drawn-out <em>a<\/em> &#8212; Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanxi &#8212; is incorrect.)<\/p>\n<p>In Gwoyeu Romatzyh, a first-tone <em>a<\/em> is spelled simply <em>a<\/em>, so &#8220;Shanxi&#8221; could be said to use this as well. And in the old postal system romanizations that predated Hanyu Pinyin for the names, the provinces were &#8220;Shensi&#8221; and &#8220;Shansi&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>So the signs in the photo <em>should<\/em> read &#8220;SHANXI LU&#8221; for &#23665;&#35199;&#36335; (<span class=\"py\">Sh&#257;nx&#299; L&#249;<\/span>) and &#8220;SHAANXI LU&#8221; for &#38485;&#35199;&#36335; (<span class=\"py\">Sh&#462;nx&#299; L&#249;<\/span>). The local authorities, however, say they can&#8217;t do anything to change this:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"py\">Ti&#257;nj&#299;n Sh&#236; D&#236;m&#237;ng B&#224;ng&#333;ngsh&#236; de g&#333;ngzu&#242; r&#233;nyu&#225;n bi&#462;osh&#236;, &#224;nzh&#224;o &#8220;Ti&#257;nj&#299;n Sh&#236; d&#236;m&#237;ng gu&#462;nl&#464; ti&#225;ol&#236;&#8221; de gu&#299;d&#236;ng, d&#236;m&#237;ng de H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n F&#257;ng&#8217;&#224;n y&#224;o y&#464; H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n h&#233; p&#299;nxi&#283; gu&#299;z&#233; w&#233;i bi&#257;ozh&#468;n, b&#249;d&#233; sh&#464;y&#242;ng w&#224;iw&#233;n p&#299;nxi&#283;. T&#243;ngy&#224;ng, Ti&#257;nj&#299;n Sh&#236; y&#468;y&#225;n w&#233;nz&#236; p&#233;ix&#249;n c&#232;sh&#236; zh&#333;ngx&#299;n de g&#333;ngzu&#242; r&#233;nyu&#225;n y&#283; bi&#462;osh&#236;, xi&#224;ng Sh&#257;nx&#299; L&#249; h&#233; Sh&#462;nx&#299; L&#249; de H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n p&#299;nxi&#283; f&#257;ngsh&#236; qu&#232;sh&#237; w&#250;f&#462; g&#275;ngg&#462;i.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>(&#22825;&#27941;&#24066;&#22320;&#21517;&#21150;&#30340;&#24037;&#20316;&#20154;&#21592;&#34920;&#31034;&#65292;&#25353;&#29031;&#12298;&#22825;&#27941;&#24066;&#22320;&#21517;&#31649;&#29702;&#26465;&#20363;&#12299;&#30340;&#35268;&#23450;&#65292;&#22320;&#21517;&#30340;&#27721;&#35821;&#25340;&#38899;&#26041;&#26696;&#35201;&#20197;&#27721;&#35821;&#25340;&#38899;&#21644;&#25340;&#20889;&#35268;&#21017;&#20026;&#26631;&#20934;&#65292;&#19981;&#24471;&#20351;&#29992;&#22806;&#25991;&#25340;&#20889;&#12290;&#21516;&#26679;&#65292;&#22825;&#27941;&#24066;&#35821;&#35328;&#25991;&#23383;&#22521;&#35757;&#27979;&#35797;&#20013;&#24515;&#30340;&#24037;&#20316;&#20154;&#21592;&#20063;&#34920;&#31034;&#65292;&#20687;&#23665;&#35199;&#36335;&#21644;&#38485;&#35199;&#36335;&#30340;&#27721;&#35821;&#25340;&#38899;&#25340;&#20889;&#26041;&#24335;&#30830;&#23454;&#26080;&#27861;&#26356;&#25913;&#12290;)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is absurd. &#8220;Shaanxi&#8221; is not a &#8220;foreign-language spelling&#8221; (<span class=\"py\">w&#224;iw&#233;n p&#299;nxi&#283;<\/span>). The name is in Mandarin, China&#8217;s official language, and Shaanxi is <em>China&#8217;s own spelling<\/em> for this, as should be no mystery to anyone who has access to a map of China published in the last few decades. Also, Hanyu Pinyin&#8217;s rules &#8212; which are based on words, not syllables, and most definitely not on Chinese characters taken in isolation &#8212; take this exception into account. Using &#8220;Shaanxi&#8221; to refer to &#38485;&#35199; Province is perfectly acceptable in Hanyu Pinyin.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/news_photos\/2006\/12\/shanxi_shaanxi_map.gif\" alt=\"map of China, showing the locations of Shaanxi and Shanxi\"\/><\/p>\n<p>source: <a href=\"http:\/\/news.enorth.com.cn\/system\/2006\/12\/29\/001503771.shtml\"><span class=\"py\">&#8216;SHANXI LU&#8217;: N&#237;n c&#257;i sh&#236; n&#462; ti&#225;o l&#249;?<\/span><\/a> (SHANXI LU &#24744;&#29468;&#26159;&#21738;&#26465;&#36335;?), <span class=\"py\">M&#283;ir&#236; x&#299;n b&#224;o<\/span> (&#27599;&#26085;&#26032;&#25253;), December 29, 2006<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A sign in Tianjin, China, points toward two roads, which, although they have different names, are both labeled &#8220;SHANXI LU&#8221;. The two roads are named after adjacent Chinese provinces: Sh&#257;nx&#299; (&#23665;&#35199;), whose largest city is Taiyuan, and Sh&#462;nx&#299; ( &#38493;&#35199; &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2007\/shanxi-shaanxi\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,12,15,28,32,20,19,48,105],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-605","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-china","category-chinese","category-chinese-characters","category-languages","category-mandarin","category-pinyin","category-romanization","category-signage","category-tone-marks"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/605","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=605"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/605\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7956,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/605\/revisions\/7956"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=605"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=605"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=605"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}