{"id":1607,"date":"2008-10-31T12:05:01","date_gmt":"2008-10-31T04:05:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/?p=1607"},"modified":"2015-12-16T17:57:17","modified_gmt":"2015-12-16T09:57:17","slug":"another-nail-in-the-coffin-of-nicknumbering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2008\/another-nail-in-the-coffin-of-nicknumbering\/","title":{"rendered":"another nail in the coffin of nicknumbering"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I haven&#8217;t posted anything in Pinyin lately. So here&#8217;s a story from a couple of days ago, giving some of the history of Taipei&#8217;s stupid and now disavowed &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.romanization.com\/streets\/nicknumbers2.html\">nicknumbering<\/a>&#8221; system, under which the city&#8217;s main roads were given numbers for the supposed convenience of foreigners. But since no locals knew these numbers, the nicknumbering system helped basically no one find anything &#8212; something the city should have figured out before it wasted all that money putting up signs. The <em>real<\/em> problem was that the romanization on the city&#8217;s signs was FUBAR &#8212; something that was finally addressed a little later. <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"py\">T&#225;ib&#283;i sh&#236;y&#236;yu&#225;n L&#464; X&#299;n zh&#464;ch&#363;, T&#225;ib&#283;i sh&#236;zh&#232;ngf&#468; z&#224;i M&#237;ngu&#243; 89 ni&#225;n [2000 &#8212; <em>I&#8217;ve changed the rest of the dates to <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2006\/taiwans-y1c-problem\/\">international years<\/a><\/em>] tu&#299;ch&#363; de &#8220;d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o&#8221;  (l&#249;p&#225;i ji&#257;zh&#249; Y&#299;ngw&#233;n x&#249;h&#224;o) zh&#232;ngc&#232;, j&#236;ngr&#225;n z&#224;i 7 yu&#232; j&#299;ng sh&#236;zh&#462;ng H&#462;o L&#243;ngb&#299;n t&#243;ngy&#236;, ju&#233;d&#236;ng &#8220;b&#249; w&#225;n le&#8221;. T&#257; t&#242;ng p&#299; sh&#236;-f&#468; zh&#232;ngc&#232; f&#462;nf&#249;, b&#224;nl&#464; d&#257;nw&#232;i M&#237;nzh&#232;ngj&#250; z&#233;w&#250;p&#225;ngd&#224;i, y&#299;ng g&#283;i sh&#236;m&#237;n y&#299; ge ji&#257;od&#224;i.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">M&#237;nzh&#232;ngj&#250; bi&#462;osh&#236;, z&#462;o z&#224;i 2002 ni&#225;n t&#466;ngy&#299; sh&#464;y&#242;ng H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n qi&#225;n, y&#464; tu&#299;d&#242;ng &#8220;d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o&#8221; zh&#232;ngc&#232;, g&#249; b&#249;fen bi&#257;osh&#236; p&#225;i c&#462;i T&#333;ngy&#242;ng P&#299;ny&#299;n, li&#462;ngzh&#283; lu&#243;ji b&#236;ngb&#249; y&#299;zh&#236;; c&#464;w&#224;i, yu&#232;l&#225;iyu&#232; du&#333; w&#224;ij&#237; gu&#257;ngu&#257;ngk&#232; ju&#233;de l&#225;i T&#225;iw&#257;n ji&#249;sh&#236; y&#224;o t&#464;hu&#236; &#8220;Zh&#333;ng-xi&#224;o,  R&#233;n&#8217;&#224;i,  X&#236;ny&#236;,  H&#233;p&#237;ng&#8221; de R&#250;ji&#257; j&#299;ngsh&#233;n sh&#236; m&#236;ngm&#237;ngf&#462;, sh&#249;z&#236; x&#237;ng ji&#275;d&#224;o m&#237;ng f&#462;n&#8217;&#233;r xi&#462;nde m&#233;iy&#466;u t&#232;s&#232;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">M&#237;nzh&#232;ngj&#250; ju&#233;d&#236;ng c&#243;ngsh&#224;nr&#250;li&#250;, g&#462;i y&#464; H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n zu&#242;w&#233;i t&#466;ngy&#299; y&#236;y&#299;n, b&#249;z&#224;i zh&#237;x&#237;ng &#8220;d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o&#8221; zh&#232;ngc&#232;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">L&#464; X&#299;n bi&#462;osh&#236;, sh&#236;-f&#468; y&#464; &#8220;f&#257;zh&#462;n gu&#257;ngu&#257;ng,  xi&#233;zh&#249; w&#224;ij&#237; r&#233;nsh&#236; bi&#224;nr&#232;n&#8221; w&#233;i y&#243;u, 2000 ni&#225;n q&#464; d&#224;zh&#257;ngq&#237;g&#468;, ji&#257;ng sh&#236;n&#232;i 10 ti&#225;o d&#333;ng-x&#299; xi&#224;ng zh&#468;y&#224;o d&#224;ol&#249; d&#236;ng m&#237;ngw&#233;i &#8220;d&#236;-y&#299; zh&#236; d&#236;-sh&#237; d&#224;d&#224;o&#8221;; 14 ti&#225;o n&#225;n-b&#283;i xi&#224;ng zh&#468;y&#224;o d&#224;ol&#249; d&#236;ng m&#237;ngw&#233;i &#8220;d&#236;-y&#299; zh&#236; d&#236;-sh&#237;s&#236; d&#224;ji&#275;&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">B&#249;j&#464;n z&#224;i zh&#232;xi&#275; l&#249;du&#224;n de l&#249;p&#225;i,  sh&#236;-f&#468; xu&#257;nchu&#225;np&#464;n d&#333;u x&#299;nz&#275;ng xi&#257;nggu&#257;n Y&#299;ngw&#233;n bi&#257;osh&#236;, y&#283; y&#257;oqi&#250; yu&#225;nj&#464;ng sh&#250;j&#236;, y&#464;bi&#224;n zh&#464;y&#464;n w&#224;ij&#237; gu&#257;ngu&#257;ngk&#232;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">B&#249;li&#224;o sh&#237;gu&#242;j&#236;ngqi&#257;n, c&#233;ngj&#299;ng b&#232;i li&#232;w&#233;i qi&#225;n T&#225;ib&#283;i sh&#236;zh&#462;ng M&#462; Y&#299;ngji&#468; zh&#242;ngy&#224;o zh&#232;ngj&#236; de d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o zh&#232;ngc&#232;, y&#299;n sh&#237;sh&#299; gu&#242;ch&#233;ng h&#249;nlu&#224;n,  xi&#224;ogu&#466; b&#249;ji&#257;, y&#464; y&#243;u H&#462;o L&#243;ngb&#299;n qi&#257;nz&#236; ju&#233;d&#236;ng &#8220;sh&#333;ub&#299;ng&#8221; b&#249;z&#224;i sh&#299;x&#237;ng, w&#232;il&#225;i ji&#257;ng zh&#250;b&#249; y&#464; H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n t&#466;ngy&#299; y&#236;y&#299;n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">M&#237;nzh&#232;ngj&#250; bi&#462;osh&#236;, 1998 ni&#225;n gu&#257;ngu&#257;ng w&#283;iyu&#225;nhu&#236; w&#283;iyu&#225;n k&#257;ihu&#236; sh&#237;, d&#257;ngsh&#237; y&#224; d&#333;u l&#237; zh&#236; z&#466;ngc&#225;i Y&#225;n Ch&#225;ngsh&#242;u t&#237;ch&#363; f&#462;ngxi&#224;o gu&#243;w&#224;i d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o m&#236;ngm&#237;ng f&#257;ngsh&#236;, hu&#242;k&#283; t&#237;sh&#275;ng l&#225;i T&#225;iw&#257;n gu&#257;ngu&#257;ng de w&#224;ij&#237; l&#474;k&#232;, z&#224;i T&#225;ib&#283;i ji&#224;o y&#236; bi&#224;nsh&#237; f&#257;ngw&#232;i; sh&#236;-f&#468; j&#299;nggu&#242; du&#333;f&#257;ng p&#237;ngg&#363;, 2000 ni&#225;n zh&#232;ngsh&#236; tu&#299;d&#242;ng d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o zh&#232;ngc&#232;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"py\">B&#249;gu&#242; z&#224;i l&#249;p&#225;i ji&#257;zh&#249; Y&#299;ngw&#233;nb&#462;n d&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o m&#237;ng h&#242;u, du&#236; w&#224;ij&#237; l&#474;k&#232; b&#257;ngzh&#249; b&#249;d&#224;, b&#249;sh&#462;o b&#283;nd&#236; m&#237;nzh&#242;ng b&#232;i w&#232;nd&#224;o &#8220;d&#236;-y&#299; d&#224;d&#224;o z&#224;i n&#462;li?&#8221; f&#462;n&#8217;&#233;r y&#299; t&#243;u w&#249;shu&#464;, g&#275;nb&#283;n hu&#237;d&#225; b&#249; ch&#363;lai. Y&#299;nc&#464; ji&#275;xi&#224;l&#225;i sh&#236;-f&#468; hu&#236; zh&#250;ni&#225;n bi&#257;nli&#232; y&#249;su&#224;n, y&#464; H&#224;ny&#468; P&#299;ny&#299;n t&#466;ngy&#299; l&#249;p&#225;i y&#236;y&#299;n. <\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Thanks, <a href=\"http:\/\/jidanni.org\/\">Dan<\/a>, for alerting me to this. <\/p>\n<p>source: <a href=\"http:\/\/udn.com\/NEWS\/DOMESTIC\/DOM2\/4574261.shtml\"><span class=\"py\">D&#224;ji&#275; d&#224;d&#224;o b&#249; w&#225;n le &#8212; y&#236;yu&#225;n t&#242;ng p&#299;<\/span><\/a> (&#22823;&#34903;&#22823;&#36947;&#19981;&#29609;&#20102; &#35696;&#21729;&#30171;&#25209;), <em>United Daily News<\/em>, October 27, 2008<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I haven&#8217;t posted anything in Pinyin lately. So here&#8217;s a story from a couple of days ago, giving some of the history of Taipei&#8217;s stupid and now disavowed &#8220;nicknumbering&#8221; system, under which the city&#8217;s main roads were given numbers for &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/2008\/another-nail-in-the-coffin-of-nicknumbering\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12,106,32,48,24,3],"tags":[605],"class_list":["post-1607","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-chinese","category-hanyu","category-mandarin","category-signage","category-taipei","category-taiwan","tag-nicknumbering"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1607","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1607"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1607\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7034,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1607\/revisions\/7034"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1607"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1607"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pinyin.info\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1607"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}