Lonely Planet switches back to Hanyu Pinyin for Mandarin phrasebook

cover of the 6th edition of the Lonely Planet Mandarin phrasebookFor the latest (sixth) edition of its Mandarin phrasebook, Lonely Planet has abandoned its disastrous experiment with its own irregular and downright awful romanization system for Mandarin and switched back to full and exclusive use of Hanyu Pinyin.

No one should even think about buying the fifth edition, which is the one with the weird romanization. Another caveat: The covers for the Pinyin-less fifth edition and the Pinyin-using sixth edition have the exact same illustration; the only difference is in the background color. The fifth edition has a red background, while the sixth (shown here) has a greenish background.

Here’s a more or less random example of the romanization in the fifth edition. The book gives “jèr shìr shér·mer jùn” for what should be written “Zhè shì shénme zhàn?” (“What station is this?”) in Hanyu Pinyin. So in addition to having weird romanization, the fifth edition fails to put a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and fails to include punctuation at the end. I see this sort of thing a lot and am puzzled by the practice. Capital letters at the beginning of a sentence and punctuation at the end — that’s not too much to ask, is it?

Moreover, sometimes the romanization does not match the Chinese characters! In the example above, for instance, the sentence in Chinese characters should read “??????” But instead it is written “??????”, which would be “Zhè shì n?ge zhàn?” in Hanyu Pinyin. In this case, the two sentences mean basically the same thing. But on the very next page (p. 58) for the question “Do I need to change?” it gives “s?w·yào líng·chyén ma” (Pinyin: X?yào língqián ma?).

This is a real howler. Somehow those responsible for writing the book managed to mix up two of the meanings of “change” in English. So the phrasebook will have unwary travelers asking not “Do I need to change trains to reach my destination?” but “Do I need coins?” A Chinese person hearing this would probably just answer “no” and ponder how very strange foreigners are to think they might specifically need coins on a train. So woe to the trusting Lonely Planet customer who needs to change trains! Admittedly, foreigners ending up in the wrong part of China as a result of such sloppiness may not have happened too often, since the given romanization is so weird that foreigners could probably not make themselves understood with it and had to point to the Chinese characters. At least the characters manage to give the correct question, X?yào d?och? ma? (??????), instead of X?yào língqián ma? (??????). But that’s hardly enough to make up for such errors.

There are many more errors in the fifth edition. I certainly hope they have been corrected in the sixth; but I didn’t have time the other day in the bookstore to check for sure. If any readers of Pinyin News have a copy of the sixth edition, please let me know; I’d like to check if the Lonely Planet’s hovercraft is still full of eels.

Now that at least the weird romanization has been banished in favor of Hanyu Pinyin (would that Taiwan take that lesson to heart!), it would be good if Lonely Planet could get some other things right, like correcting the misinformation about Mandarin not being a real language but a “dialect.” Some of the word parsing is also incorrect. And the Mandarin-English dictionary should be available in alphabetical order, too, not just stroke order.

3 thoughts on “Lonely Planet switches back to Hanyu Pinyin for Mandarin phrasebook

  1. In the example above, for instance, the sentence in Chinese characters should read “??????” But instead it is written “??????”

    Woah… did it use weird romanization and simplified characters? If so, that would be the first I’ve ever seen that combination!

  2. As far as I know, the book (the 5th edition, that is) is exclusively in simplified characters and weird romanization. (One of my new favorites: “sun·ywair” for “Sanyue” (??).) It doesn’t even mention the existence of traditional characters.

  3. I owned 2 copies of the 4th edition and loved it. Unfortunately I just lost one and gave the other away about 2 years ago. Then I bought that piece of crap 5th edition last year and immediately wrote a scathing letter to Lonely Planet about their abandonment of pinyin among so many other screw-ups… Little did I know so many others felt the same way. Well last week I had to purchase the 6th edition to replace my favorite 4th edition and I have to say it is refreshing to see Pinyin is back. But although it is more up to date than the 4th it still contains the most useless phrases. But it still is a decent phrasbook. barely… I just can’t understand why Garnaut does not get it and why Lonely Planet continues to use this loser of an author… Bring back the 4th edition writers!!!!!

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